Conquer Club

I need to hear opinion abouth these.
What map go faster-experienced makers or not experienced map makers maps.
Who get faster stamps?

I look on some maps in idea forum,and some look good for main foundry map,but still not even get stikied on idea forum. On other hand,some Maps who create MOd,will have chance to move very fast. Examle of these is european revolution who get stikied after only 6 days,and graphic its not better then some other maps in idea forum.

Mine opinion is that experienced makers have some advantage(aim not have these),and that new map makers dont have equal treatment.

I know that some time say somethink like these can be bad for mine map(mod can ignore mine maps),but aim every time upset when i se that some things go wrong.

I definitely agree with this as folks well know. A lot of the sticky decisions seem to be extremely arbitrary. It was my first observation when I came in to the foundry. The map handbook have criteria but those are not as important as who you are friends with and what not.

tisk tisk.

I have a feeling that it's not only graphics, but the map makers attitude as well. Oaktown has proven to have one of the best attitudes in the foundry, as well as one of the best map makers (both graphics & gameplay). Therefore he may move more quickly than some others.

I agree with qwert.

the answer is simple, good & popular maps with nice cartographers go faster

qwert, spamming all the threads and opening dozens of new threads about ww2 europe will not make it go faster at all

is there much need for the title in capitals?

i somewhat agree with you qwert however if youre refering to WW2 europe - i dont really want to play that with it being all squished as it is.
i think that it relies on how much you update it, how much you show that you will continue, how much you show tath you will finish it, how much you show promise, how much how much how much.

im not a foundry regular, i visit every so often is all so i dont know the politics around here, but i can say what qwert said (if its true) would be normal... in every aspect of life, normal work, games, ect. if you have friends you WILL move faster, thats just how it goes, so make friends

but on a side note... i REALLY wana see WWII europe go up WWII west front is one of my fav maps, and i cant wait for europe!

by DiM on Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:46 pm

the answer is simple, good & popular maps with nice cartographers go faster

qwert, spamming all the threads and opening dozens of new threads about ww2 europe will not make it go faster at all

you accuse that aim spamming all thread and open dozens of new thread about ww2 europe!
Can you tell me what tread and where.
Aim refering to European revolution,and first i give opinion and sugestion,aim not spamming with WWII Europe.

Its look that people afraid to say something when MOds help each other to hes map going faster. You can not know witch map is good & popular,and these third i dont want to comment,because if you nice you will go faster,what these mean? Do i say some bad word to Gimil or Oaktown,if i say please remind me.

I have a feeling that it's not only graphics, but the map makers attitude as well. Oaktown has proven to have one of the best attitudes in the foundry, as well as one of the best map makers (both graphics & gameplay). Therefore he may move more quickly than some others.

You want to say that when someon see that something is wrong,he must be silent or otherwise "Map is good,but i dont like hes attitude he will not so easy get stamp".

for starters, I will address qwert's concern over the European Revolution map, which seems to have started this mess even though the thread is about how fast maps "go to quench zone" and the map hasn't been quenched.

Since the departure of Coleman as CA in charge of Ideas, Gimil has taken on that load in addition to trying to stamp maps for graphics and making his own maps. As well as doing general cleaning and topic merging in Ideas, it is Gimil's job to follow new ideas and sticky them when they seem to be on the slow road to being forged, which is no small task considering how many new ideas threads pop up in there every week. The only maps he can't sticky are his own, so I try to to stay on top of his new map ideas.

In the case of Europe Revolution, I saw a map which had advanced graphics, two experienced mapmakers with a plan for how they were going to proceed, and which had already generated six pages of comments - mostly positive. If you can show me another map in Ideas with those credentials, I'll suggest that Gimil sticky it.

Since Gimil and I are human and therefor capable of differences in opinion, it is likely that we have slightly different standards for when a map should be stickied. Maybe he wouldn't have stickied European Revolution, maybe he would have. I don't know. You can ask him yourself if you'd like. And if you are unhappy with Gimil's decisions you can always make an appeal to Andy.

But qwert is correct in that some mapmakers see their work go faster through the Foundry. I think that this is due to three factors:

1. Reputation. If a mapmaker has made five or six good complex maps, the foundry (and I) will trust that mapmaker's decisions more. Sometimes mistakes are made, for example we all should have looked more closely at Das Schloss, but we didn't because cairnswk usually comes up with complex maps with solid gameplay, so nobody caught the flaws.

2. Attitude. Some mapmakers will take criticism and apply it to make their maps better; these mapmakers move very quickly through the process. Some mapmakers won't listen to criticism until it has been said 10 times, and then they will call the rest of us stupid; these mapmakers move very slowly through the process. Some mapmakers say that their maps are perfect as designed and refused to make changes; these mapmakers never leave ideas.

3. Community support. This is a result of having a good reputation and a good attitude. Gimil and Yeti_C, for example both have good attitudes and reputation, so when they posted a new project together they had six pages of comments in a few days. The more support you have the more feedback you will receive, the more feedback you receive the more you can apply to your map, and the more you apply to your map the faster it will improve.

OK ,i want to know where is andy? If he dont have 1 minute to quench map,then its need to find deputy who will do these. I realy can not understand that he have time to quench some maps in 1 minute but these is twice when he dont quench mine map.
First time(period when last quenched map now in game) he quench two maps in one minute, and dont want to quench mine map.
Second time now-he again quench two maps in 1 minute,and again dont want to quench mine map. He anouncing some CA,but he definitly must find replacement for hem(when hes not present here),to quench maps.

If he realy hate me,then its better to say openly "I hate you and i dont want to quench map,and i ignore to reply to all your messages".

Here we go again...

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

blakebowling wrote:I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Because its an unstable country?

I have to agree that some mapmapkers make it through the process faster with their maps than others. Mainly, those with experience and reputation. From my limited time trawling through these forums, my belief is that this is not based on some inate bias by the lickers though, but rather that more people (both in the sense of the broader CC community and the foundry folk) take the time to pop into the more experienced mapmakers threads.

Is this essentially bad? No, it makes perfect sense. You (as in anyone) has more interest in an experienced person's latest endeavour than some newcomer's attempt. This means more comments and therefore more movement. While frustrating for us first timers, it is neither unusual nor inherently evil. Se la vie.

For me, it just means holding tight and updating and reacting to all the comments I receive. And while I'm at it, mucho gracias to those folk (mostly regulars) who have made the effort to pop through to my map and made the effort to add their cents (sometimes dollars) to help out.

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

qwert wrote:

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

I thought you lived in Serbia, not Siberia?

qwert wrote:

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

I'm sure the country is fine.

by foregone on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:49 pm

I have to agree that some mapmapkers make it through the process faster with their maps than others. Mainly, those with experience and reputation. From my limited time trawling through these forums, my belief is that this is not based on some inate bias by the lickers though, but rather that more people (both in the sense of the broader CC community and the foundry folk) take the time to pop into the more experienced mapmakers threads.

Is this essentially bad? No, it makes perfect sense. You (as in anyone) has more interest in an experienced person's latest endeavour than some newcomer's attempt. This means more comments and therefore more movement. While frustrating for us first timers, it is neither unusual nor inherently evil. Se la vie.

For me, it just means holding tight and updating and reacting to all the comments I receive. And while I'm at it, mucho gracias to those folk (mostly regulars) who have made the effort to pop through to my map and made the effort to add their cents (sometimes dollars) to help out.

What more movement? IMperium romanum is finished map,and i realy want to get explanation why he still not quench these map.
He quench 9 maps,and dont quench mine,then again quench 2 maps and again dont quench mine map.

Zeakcytho
I thought you lived in Serbia, not Siberia?

These will be pointles to explane where aim live. Majority of Americans newer heard for mine country.

ZeakCytho wrote:

qwert wrote:

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

I thought you lived in Serbia, not Siberia?

Siberia is in russia, not eastern europe

qwert wrote:

by foregone on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:49 pm

I have to agree that some mapmapkers make it through the process faster with their maps than others. Mainly, those with experience and reputation. From my limited time trawling through these forums, my belief is that this is not based on some inate bias by the lickers though, but rather that more people (both in the sense of the broader CC community and the foundry folk) take the time to pop into the more experienced mapmakers threads.

Is this essentially bad? No, it makes perfect sense. You (as in anyone) has more interest in an experienced person's latest endeavour than some newcomer's attempt. This means more comments and therefore more movement. While frustrating for us first timers, it is neither unusual nor inherently evil. Se la vie.

For me, it just means holding tight and updating and reacting to all the comments I receive. And while I'm at it, mucho gracias to those folk (mostly regulars) who have made the effort to pop through to my map and made the effort to add their cents (sometimes dollars) to help out.

What more movement? IMperium romanum is finished map,and i realy want to get explanation why he still not quench these map.
He quench 9 maps,and dont quench mine,then again quench 2 maps and again dont quench mine map.

Well, thats not quite the question you asked. If thats the sole reason you made this thread, then maybe you shouldn't have bothered pretending otherwise.

t-o-m wrote:

ZeakCytho wrote:

qwert wrote:

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

I thought you lived in Serbia, not Siberia?

Siberia is in russia, not eastern europe

I know where Serbia is (stupid americans??), but it's actually a pleasant country, Siberia on the other hand...

blakebowling wrote:

t-o-m wrote:

ZeakCytho wrote:

qwert wrote:

by blakebowling on Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 pm

I now know why people don't want to live in Siberia.

Its these some kind a insult to country where i live?

I thought you lived in Serbia, not Siberia?

Siberia is in russia, not eastern europe

I know where Serbia is (stupid americans??), but it's actually a pleasant country, Siberia on the other hand...

Serbia is an... interesting country. Not sure if "pleasant" is the word I'd use there.

Qwert - I think you'll find - if you check your facts - that Imperium Romanium is quite new to FF. - The finally quenched maps have been in FF (and in Quenchable state) for months now...

Also - I assume that the admins may want to wait a little while for the 100 maps thing to percolate - before adding more...

Don't fear though - I'm sure Imp Rom will be the next map Quenched...

C.

yeti_c wrote:Qwert - I think you'll find - if you check your facts - that Imperium Romanium is quite new to FF. - The finally quenched maps have been in FF (and in Quenchable state) for months now...

I've just been updating some stats, so I'll throw some in here too...

There are currently 10 stickied maps in the Final Forge; 5 of them were started before Imperium Romanium, and 4 afterwards.
It feels like it's been slow for most people