TheGeneral's Pro Mafia [Town Wins!] Night actions released

[zimmah]

i'm in quite a difficult position though. there's a lot depending on my actions and decisions.

even though mob looks very scummy, i am not feeling good about lynching him. but my feeling may very well be wrong and it may just be good acting from mobs side.

also i think i should not build/join any other cases unless i hammer them to avoid outing the cop.

so that means we should either lynch mob or ghostly.

at this point in time i still think the case on mob is the stronger one.

[edocsil]

Unless you think that you'll be able to save ghostly in Round 2.
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looks like to zimmah

Doc knows cop, Doc protects Cop. Wouldn't be a good idea to do anything else. I was also having a bit of a hard time following the rant.

Also, are Ghostly and I the only one who really don't like MoB's "I'll vote anybody but me" vote?

woah woah woah - He was my first real vote all game. I ALREADY had ghostly at the top of my list before he made that post. That post put me over the edge and was the deciding factor in his vote

BEFORE his post I had him at the top of my list for being all over the board and being noncommittal

I find that sketchy and generally not townish.

i'm in quite a difficult position though. there's a lot depending on my actions and decisions.

even though mob looks very scummy, i am not feeling good about lynching him. but my feeling may very well be wrong and it may just be good acting from mobs side.

also i think i should not build/join any other cases unless i hammer them to avoid outing the cop.

so that means we should either lynch mob or ghostly.

at this point in time i still think the case on mob is the stronger one.

This logic is fairly sound.

[ghostly447]

My case on MoB
My case is better than yours MoB. I have nothing to hide.

Wow, ghostly may have just saved my ass for another day. vote ghostly

So good job. You hop on the bandwagon of a weak case (zimmah picking and choosing my words from what was a clear statement).

Why did you feel the need to say "I will claim Vanilla Townie" unless you arent a VT? It seems like to me you made a scumslip. Real VTs would have said "I am a VT" I don't even see the necessity to have that sentence and the following sentence in your post unless you ARENT a VT.

Trying to read FAR too deep into a case MoB. No doubt, one of the dumbest things I have seen so far in my first 4 games signed up for. Come on dude, 1 sentence clearly written "As for me getting a case on me, go for it. The only things you will pick up are lies, and attempts at making a case of something that isnt there. Because I will claim Vanilla Townie.". Speaking in the future tense, I will inform you as I would tell you in the future, not now (OMGUS, yes, but do you get my point? To have claimed VT in the future, you would have to build a case, and then I would claim)

And you were already highest on my scumdar for being entirely non-committal and not casting your vote except for joke votes

Buddy, another stupid sentence. I havent SPOKEN really a word in this game. I have been loaded down at school and projects, etc, and therefore when I looked into your case before it seemed weak. Non-committal? I had been defending you since the first time I posted about your case!


Not a super strong case, but its strong than what MoB is going to have in my opinion. Please show me where I am getting all non-committal please, because I am not sure where you are talking about. I await you counter-case MoB.

[MoB Deadly]

Im done with this, I am ready to wash my hands of this game. I even said that any case against anyone I make is going to look blatantly OMGUS because there's not other case but mine out there. And since there's no discussion its nearly impossible to poke holes in peoples debates. Everyone is pretty much nodding and pointing at me.

Whatever, tough luck this game, Ill see you guys in another. I've defended myself all I could, I'm not going to let a town vs town argument startup, or let the mafia fog this day anymore. Just skip to lynch and hopefully the cop gets a lucky investigation.

[ghostly447]

MoB, that is a bit sad to me. I mean really. Just because I got a stronger case built on you THROUGH DISCUSSION that is no reason to be mad and quit. Quote me, and go against me. Thats all that is needed. I am fair and therefore havent even voted for you yet. If you are VT you will be able to deflect the case.

[zimmah]

Im done with this, I am ready to wash my hands of this game. I even said that any case against anyone I make is going to look blatantly OMGUS because there's not other case but mine out there. And since there's no discussion its nearly impossible to poke holes in peoples debates. Everyone is pretty much nodding and pointing at me.

Whatever, tough luck this game, Ill see you guys in another. I've defended myself all I could, I'm not going to let a town vs town argument startup, or let the mafia fog this day anymore. Just skip to lynch and hopefully the cop gets a lucky investigation.

i did what i could but i can't do more, let's just hope town is right and you're acting.

[MoB Deadly]

Ill see if I can make a contributing post tonight

[agentcom]

Hey guys,

First off sorry for the f-bombs earlier. I try not to do that in the fora. Just a bit frustrating for that to leak.

Im done with this, I am ready to wash my hands of this game. I even said that any case against anyone I make is going to look blatantly OMGUS because there's not other case but mine out there. And since there's no discussion its nearly impossible to poke holes in peoples debates. Everyone is pretty much nodding and pointing at me.

Whatever, tough luck this game, Ill see you guys in another. I've defended myself all I could, I'm not going to let a town vs town argument startup, or let the mafia fog this day anymore. Just skip to lynch and hopefully the cop gets a lucky investigation.

This, I think, is a much more townish response. But that's been my main problem with you so far: half of your responses have seemed townish. But then there's the other half of your posts.

[spiesr]

Deadline for day one is in 48 hours. That is the beginning of January 27th.

If the time frame in this quote is a precise number of hours then we have less than five hours remaining before the deadline.
I think the current vote count looks like this:

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Zimmah
Edocsil
Agentcom
Spiesr
MoB Deadly (L-2) - edoc, agentcom, dazza2008
Ghostly447 (L-3) - zimmah, mob deadly
Dazza2008 (L-4) - soundman
Soundman

Vote Ghostly. He has been tripping my SCUMDAR for a little while now. Up to this point I had more or less been giving him the benefit of the doubt on account of his relative inexperience. However, I don't think I can ignore this sense forever and have come to the conclusion that he is the best choice for our Day 1 lynch.
That said, I am generally not in favor of a no lynch at this specific point in time. Accordingly I will check back before the is supposed to expire. I don't exactly have good feelings about MobDeadly right now and am willing to switch my vote to him if necessary. I feel that the odds of getting a scum if we lynch Mob are somewhat greater than the 1/3 chance we would have lynching any random player. Based on this I prefer lynching Mob over a no lynch today. So just let me know if that option becomes more viable and I need to switch.

[zimmah]

hmm. since i'm going to sleep now i think it's better we lynch mob. i can't hammer ghostly and i think mob may very well just be acting here.

also if people don't show up while i'm asleep we miss our chance for a lynch.

and either way there have been a bit of discussion today so after we see what mob flips we may be able to find out more depending on his flip.

unvote vote mob.

if you're really town, then i'm sorry in advance. but i just don't think i can take the risk of you being not town or getting a no lynch.

[ghostly447]

Deadline for day one is in 48 hours. That is the beginning of January 27th.

If the time frame in this quote is a precise number of hours then we have less than five hours remaining before the deadline.
I think the current vote count looks like this:

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Zimmah
Edocsil
Agentcom
Spiesr
MoB Deadly (L-2) - edoc, agentcom, dazza2008
Ghostly447 (L-3) - zimmah, mob deadly
Dazza2008 (L-4) - soundman
Soundman

Vote Ghostly. He has been tripping my SCUMDAR for a little while now. Up to this point I had more or less been giving him the benefit of the doubt on account of his relative inexperience. However, I don't think I can ignore this sense forever and have come to the conclusion that he is the best choice for our Day 1 lynch.
That said, I am generally not in favor of a no lynch at this specific point in time. Accordingly I will check back before the is supposed to expire. I don't exactly have good feelings about MobDeadly right now and am willing to switch my vote to him if necessary. I feel that the odds of getting a scum if we lynch Mob are somewhat greater than the 1/3 chance we would have lynching any random player. Based on this I prefer lynching Mob over a no lynch today. So just let me know if that option becomes more viable and I need to switch.

Have you been skimming? Tell me why I am scummy, you have 5 hours, at least 2 of which I am on so you can use the last 3 for a real case. How have I been scummy? You cant just say I have been tripping your scumdar for a little while and bring nothing to the table besides you have ignored that I have potential. Now post why I am scummy, because in case you have been skimming, I believe we have brought it to the floor that MoB was about to quit because he got beaten back so bad in his case. He feels its all due to OMGUS, but I feel at least my part is hard evidence with his 1 line bandwagoning and such.

FOS Spiesr for that.

[zimmah]

and ghostly, i also think you're scummy but since i'm going to sleep now and the deadline is near i think it's better to let you live for now, but if mob flips town the likelyness of you being scum increases by a whole lot.

[ghostly447]

and ghostly, i also think you're scummy but since i'm going to sleep now and the deadline is near i think it's better to let you live for now, but if mob flips town the likelyness of you being scum increases by a whole lot.

I know about as much as you do Zimmah. The only thing you know and I dont is who our cop is, and I dont need to know that to play the game. And why would it matter for me if he flipped townie? Last I checked, 2-3 other players already made a case, and I havent even voted for him. I thought he only deserved an FOS at first, but I think he got a little too excited after his case was lifted and made a couple errors.

I do not see why I should be more prone to being scum over the ones who previously made a case. Please think about things before trying to go after 1 person if someone doesnt flip the way we want them to. That will make it so no one makes cases for fear that should they be wrong they get accused next turn. If thats how you want to play, then I suppose the mafia will have this wrapped up by day 3!

[spiesr]

Have you been skimming? Tell me why I am scummy, you have 5 hours, at least 2 of which I am on so you can use the last 3 for a real case. How have I been scummy? You cant just say I have been tripping your scumdar for a little while and bring nothing to the table besides you have ignored that I have potential. Now post why I am scummy, because in case you have been skimming, I believe we have brought it to the floor that MoB was about to quit because he got beaten back so bad in his case. He feels its all due to OMGUS, but I feel at least my part is hard evidence with his 1 line bandwagoning and such.

No, I haven't been skimming. Rather I simply don't agree with your assessment of what there is against you. You can say "I haven't done anything scummy," but saying so doesn't make it true. As for what you have done that makes me consider you scummy, this post I made on Tuesday contains my original grievances.

As you are a fairly new player let me start with a bit of a tip for you here. Responding to initial remarks that you seem scummy with a statement like this one you made here is a Bad idea. Making statements like "any case you make against me will be made of lies" or "those who vote for me will be scum" only makes you seem more scummy. Telling us that going after you would be a waste of time since you are town is a meaningless thing to say, because it would be true for every townie and everyone wants to be thought of as a townie. You can't just say "I am town don't vote for me," rather you have to find some way to explain why we should believe that you are town. You said that we couldn't build a case against you now becuase there is nothing there. This is either flat out wrong or a misunderstanding of how cases work. Thus far in the game you have been one of the scummiest players. Someone could very well make a case against you right now. It wouldn't be a very great case, since there simply hasn't been that much to base anything on yet. But it is Day 1, unless someone screws up big time any case today will be weak.
So, you get an FOS for that post from me...

Now, since the time that I made that post you have made quite a few posts defending yourself and whatnot. It is this following series of posts that have caused the little bell my mind to keep dinging "Scum." So, let me show you what it is that bothered me about these posts.

Making a case that isnt there. Make a case, and I will do my best to defend, and I will be able to defend. Because I have nothing to hide.

First off here you go claiming that there isn't any sort of case against you. You also claim that you have nothing to hide and that no accusations can stick to you. For those of you in the audience playing along at home, take note, this is be a recurring theme.

WOAH. I beleive he is trying to defend me?! When you guys lynch me, take note. When I flip vanilla you will know edoc has nothing to do with anything! Or maybe he will since you are so convinced that a weak case of defending someone is a scum tell.

Here you are demonstrating a fairly obvious fallacy. You have gotten to the point where you are irrationally accusing those against of being part of some sort of conspiracy to take you down, and grasping any defenders as being the only sane people in the room. While not super summy by itself these lines of reasoning indicate desperation and valuing one's own life of the overall victory.

So, for I believe to be the 4th time in this post. MAKE A CASE BEFORE COMING AT ME. I have nothing to hide, and therefore should be able to deflect anything that you guys make against me. I am convinced of that.

Continually yelling that you have nothing to hide and that there is no case agianst you doesn't make it true. You seem to be attempting to substitute reason with volume.

I said "I will claim Vanilla Townie" because its what I am and if you made a good case against me, thats still all I would claim. But seriously, just take note of the cases brought against me, because when I flip townie and you guys go on to kill more townies because you didnt take note, and you are following the mafia (or they are hopping on bandwagons) then I will be laughing.

Claiming that those who are voting for you must be scum doesn't work as a defense. (Largely because it is not usually true.)

MoB, that is a bit sad to me. I mean really. Just because I got a stronger case built on you THROUGH DISCUSSION that is no reason to be mad and quit. Quote me, and go against me. Thats all that is needed. I am fair and therefore havent even voted for you yet. If you are VT you will be able to deflect the case.

Here you say that you beat Mob in a contest of case making. You loudly proclaim that you won, presumably once again in an attempt to make people believe something simply by virtue of it being all they can hear. You don't really explain why you have bested Mob, but just declare it so. Also, you seem to have a strange idea of how cases work. It seems to imply that Townies will automatically defeat cases against them by simply virtue of being town. Now that I think about it, that idea explains your defense pretty well. (Too bad it isn't quite right.)
Basically stuff like I have outlined here just smells like scum to me. Now, this isn't always right, but from what I can see it is the best we have right now.

[ghostly447]

Have you been skimming? Tell me why I am scummy, you have 5 hours, at least 2 of which I am on so you can use the last 3 for a real case. How have I been scummy? You cant just say I have been tripping your scumdar for a little while and bring nothing to the table besides you have ignored that I have potential. Now post why I am scummy, because in case you have been skimming, I believe we have brought it to the floor that MoB was about to quit because he got beaten back so bad in his case. He feels its all due to OMGUS, but I feel at least my part is hard evidence with his 1 line bandwagoning and such.

No, I haven't been skimming. Rather I simply don't agree with your assessment of what there is against you. You can say "I haven't done anything scummy," but saying so doesn't make it true. As for what you have done that makes me consider you scummy, this post I made on Tuesday contains my original grievances.

As you are a fairly new player let me start with a bit of a tip for you here. Responding to initial remarks that you seem scummy with a statement like this one you made here is a Bad idea. Making statements like "any case you make against me will be made of lies" or "those who vote for me will be scum" only makes you seem more scummy. Telling us that going after you would be a waste of time since you are town is a meaningless thing to say, because it would be true for every townie and everyone wants to be thought of as a townie. You can't just say "I am town don't vote for me," rather you have to find some way to explain why we should believe that you are town. You said that we couldn't build a case against you now becuase there is nothing there. This is either flat out wrong or a misunderstanding of how cases work. Thus far in the game you have been one of the scummiest players. Someone could very well make a case against you right now. It wouldn't be a very great case, since there simply hasn't been that much to base anything on yet. But it is Day 1, unless someone screws up big time any case today will be weak.
So, you get an FOS for that post from me...

Now, since the time that I made that post you have made quite a few posts defending yourself and whatnot. It is this following series of posts that have caused the little bell my mind to keep dinging "Scum." So, let me show you what it is that bothered me about these posts.

Making a case that isnt there. Make a case, and I will do my best to defend, and I will be able to defend. Because I have nothing to hide.

First off here you go claiming that there isn't any sort of case against you. You also claim that you have nothing to hide and that no accusations can stick to you. For those of you in the audience playing along at home, take note, this is be a recurring theme.

WOAH. I beleive he is trying to defend me?! When you guys lynch me, take note. When I flip vanilla you will know edoc has nothing to do with anything! Or maybe he will since you are so convinced that a weak case of defending someone is a scum tell.

Here you are demonstrating a fairly obvious fallacy. You have gotten to the point where you are irrationally accusing those against of being part of some sort of conspiracy to take you down, and grasping any defenders as being the only sane people in the room. While not super summy by itself these lines of reasoning indicate desperation and valuing one's own life of the overall victory.

So, for I believe to be the 4th time in this post. MAKE A CASE BEFORE COMING AT ME. I have nothing to hide, and therefore should be able to deflect anything that you guys make against me. I am convinced of that.

Continually yelling that you have nothing to hide and that there is no case agianst you doesn't make it true. You seem to be attempting to substitute reason with volume.

I said "I will claim Vanilla Townie" because its what I am and if you made a good case against me, thats still all I would claim. But seriously, just take note of the cases brought against me, because when I flip townie and you guys go on to kill more townies because you didnt take note, and you are following the mafia (or they are hopping on bandwagons) then I will be laughing.

Claiming that those who are voting for you must be scum doesn't work as a defense. (Largely because it is not usually true.)

MoB, that is a bit sad to me. I mean really. Just because I got a stronger case built on you THROUGH DISCUSSION that is no reason to be mad and quit. Quote me, and go against me. Thats all that is needed. I am fair and therefore havent even voted for you yet. If you are VT you will be able to deflect the case.

Here you say that you beat Mob in a contest of case making. You loudly proclaim that you won, presumably once again in an attempt to make people believe something simply by virtue of it being all they can hear. You don't really explain why you have bested Mob, but just declare it so. Also, you seem to have a strange idea of how cases work. It seems to imply that Townies will automatically defeat cases against them by simply virtue of being town. Now that I think about it, that idea explains your defense pretty well. (Too bad it isn't quite right.)
Basically stuff like I have outlined here just smells like scum to me. Now, this isn't always right, but from what I can see it is the best we have right now.

so your case is pretty much against me defending myself and making a countercase against someone who has already had pressure on himself the entire round, who quickly added 3 more posts as to why he may be scum, and trying to persuade him to prove to me why he isnt scum by making a counter case so we can move on from the current situation, or decide his or my fate? Easy enough, I say I have nothing to hide because as a Vanilla Townie, I dont. I am here to hunt scum, and the only way to do so is through discussion. Sure, if there is a hint that someone may be the cop, I will back off as soon as I catch the hint, and hope that I didnt make it too obvious that the mafia notice and take it into their own hands.

As for Saying I win, I said no such thing. I just announced that I had deflected the cases brought against me by using logic. If you wanted to lynch me, fine by me. I just wanted you all to take note of the particular lynch. I feel strongly that MoB is a mafia (he couldnt really defend anything, and rather complained that everything he said was an OMGUS when I clearly gave him a chance to try the case against me).

[spiesr]

so your case is pretty much against me defending myself and making a countercase against someone who has already had pressure on himself the entire round, who quickly added 3 more posts as to why he may be scum, and trying to persuade him to prove to me why he isnt scum by making a counter case so we can move on from the current situation, or decide his or my fate?

Yes and no. My case isn't because you defended yourself, but rather the specific manner in which you went about it.

Easy enough, I say I have nothing to hide because as a Vanilla Townie, I dont. I am here to hunt scum, and the only way to do so is through discussion. Sure, if there is a hint that someone may be the cop, I will back off as soon as I catch the hint, and hope that I didnt make it too obvious that the mafia notice and take it into their own hands.

Well yes, discussion is the way in which we will catch scum. A significant part of that is that during such discussion players will usually eventually end up saying various things that, when put together and scrutinized, will yield clues to that player's true identity. That I was I think I have here.

Regardless, since Zimmah has moved his vote from you to Mob I feel that we are in a situation where achieving a lynch of you before the deadline is not a realistic option. In fact Mob is the only player who can feasibly be lynched today. As such, and in accordance with my sentiments on that matter which I outlined in my prior post, I will now: Unvote Vote MobDeadly.

[TheGeneral2112]

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Zimmah
Edocsil
Agentcom
Spiesr
MoB Deadly (Lynched) - edoc, agentcom, dazza2008, zimmah, spiesr
Ghostly447 (L-2) - mob deadly
Dazza2008 (L-4) - soundman
Soundman



MoB Deadly - VT has died. Send in your night actions, you have 48 hours.

[MoB Deadly]

Hope my lynch results in lynching mafia. Go Town.

[Rodion]

MoB was obviously town...

[agentcom]

MoB was obviously town...

Huh? I would really like to hear your explanation for this after the game.

[TheGeneral2112]

INTENTIONAL LEAK FROM EDOC

I don't know it this has happened already or not, but whatever VT gets the free action tonight be sure to send a PM to Zimmah with the role so another townie can be identified. This will be critical for tomorrow.

[TheGeneral2112]

Dazza2008 - VT, has died. Day 2 begins.

[edocsil]

Who do I berate for not getting me the info as to who got the night action?

Anyhow, spiesr is scum.

Vote spiesr

[ghostly447]

edoc, are you VERY SURE he is scum?

[edocsil]

edoc, are you VERY SURE he is scum?

I am the goddamn cop, sooooo....