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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby natty dread on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:21 pm

I don't like the newest version that much, the borders look a bit pixelated that way. Maybe you could apply some subtle antialias on them...
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby RedBaron0 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:00 pm

Added some blur:

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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby natty dread on Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:58 pm

Yeah, that 8.5 looks better.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby ender516 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:21 pm

I don't agree. The border is just as jaggy as it was, but manages to be blurry at the same time. Stick with 8.4, or spend a few days rounding out the corners which make the jaggies objectionable. It's totally your call ;)
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby natty dread on Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:43 am

Well now that you mention it, perhaps it could use a bit more antialias. It's going to be a whole lot of nitty-bitty pixel work...
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby RedBaron0 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:34 pm

Borders redrawn again:

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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby ender516 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:01 pm

I almost accused you of simply copying 8.4 to 8.6 until I managed to get them up side-by-side. I still prefer 8.4. I mean, really, many times borders are defined by straight lines and angles. Keep in mind, surveyors like straight lines, and politicians cannot cope with the math to define a curve. That being said, the differences from 8.4 to 8.6 are not as annoying as those from 8.4 to 8.5 were to me, so if there is strong support for 8.6, I would not oppose it.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby RedBaron0 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:21 pm

Yeah... 8.4 and 8.6 are drawn using 2 of the border tutorials from the post MrBenn suggested: How to draw smooth borders

8.4 is done with the suggestions of post one, by Lone.prophet
8.5 is 8.4 blurred
8.6 is done with the suggestions of post two, by RjBeals (via MrBenn)
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby natty dread on Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:50 am

I think 8.6 looks better than both 8.4 and 8.5.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Borders smooth -Done

Postby RedBaron0 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:56 am

Anyone else have a problem with the borders now?
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby lt_oddball on Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:10 am

ender516 wrote: spend a few days rounding out the corners which make the jaggies objectionable. It's totally your call ;)



For god's sake..isn't this enough ?
Any other nittygritty pixely issues should be addressed in the next upgrade some time next year after the map has been played on extensively.

Come on !
Launch the <beta>map to play!
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-8) pg25 Domo Arigato MrBenn!

Postby ender516 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:08 am

lt_oddball wrote:
ender516 wrote: spend a few days rounding out the corners which make the jaggies objectionable. It's totally your call ;)



For god's sake..isn't this enough ?
Any other nittygritty pixely issues should be addressed in the next upgrade some time next year after the map has been played on extensively.

Come on !
Launch the <beta>map to play!

I quite agree. I hope everyone understood that my suggestion above was facetious, hence the ;) . It was just my way of saying stick with 8.4. But as I have already said, I am okay with 8.6 as well. On to the graphics stamp, then XML and Beta! Excelsior!
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RedBaron0 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:15 pm

Thanks guys, it's coming, hopefully a little sooner than later, but it's coming.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RjBeals on Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:28 pm

I think the Japanese text on the land makes it look like tire tread. It doesn't work. This map just doesn't have that classic japan feel to me. The colors are too vibrant. The water too blue. Even the fonts don't look right. I see you're stickied and almost to final forge, so I'm sure this map is bound to move on through. I guess I would suggest softer colors on parchment with some Japanese bamboo bordering the map, maybe some other culture mixed in also.

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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby mibi on Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:48 pm

RjBeals wrote:I think the Japanese text on the land makes it look like tire tread. It doesn't work. This map just doesn't have that classic japan feel to me. The colors are too vibrant. The water too blue. Even the fonts don't look right. I see you're stickied and almost to final forge, so I'm sure this map is bound to move on through. I guess I would suggest softer colors on parchment with some Japanese bamboo bordering the map, maybe some other culture mixed in also.

Sorry.


What he said. This map has a host of design problems beyond what RJ mentioned. I would get into if you really want me to.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RedBaron0 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:54 pm

RjBeals wrote:I think the Japanese text on the land makes it look like tire tread. It doesn't work. This map just doesn't have that classic japan feel to me. The colors are too vibrant. The water too blue. Even the fonts don't look right. I see you're stickied and almost to final forge, so I'm sure this map is bound to move on through. I guess I would suggest softer colors on parchment with some Japanese bamboo bordering the map, maybe some other culture mixed in also.

Sorry.


Earlier there was more cultural additions, several things tried. What perhaps would you suggest? I can add some bamboo bordering, it'd fit with the bottom corner perhaps. The colors up till now have been something most people have liked about the map, so for now that will stay the same unless a larger consensus comes up against the colors. Parchment instead of water? I'm not really going for a old map look.

mibi wrote:What he said. This map has a host of design problems beyond what RJ mentioned. I would get into if you really want me to.


Go for it.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby jefjef on Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:24 pm

I wouldn't change much of it Red. It definitely has a Japanese art style to it. I have a Japanese silk painting that has very vibrant colors. Your map reminds me of it.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RedBaron0 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:52 pm

I'm gonna nix the bamboo too, everything I've tried to put into the map as it stands doesn't really look good, giving I thought a more Hawaiian feel than anything else. Unless paired with a parchment Japanese art background it won't work. I can think about doing that as well, but I'm against it since this is an island nation and deserves to be on the sea.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby jefjef on Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:48 pm

You know instead of the compus you could replace it with a samurai warrior.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RjBeals on Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:37 pm

fair enough. at least you tried.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RedBaron0 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm

jefjef wrote:You know instead of the compus you could replace it with a samurai warrior.


That's more of a Feudal era accent and be more in tune with a background change to a parchment. Maybe since that background part of the map is kinda bland I could look for a well known landscape from Japan, like Mt. Fuji perhaps?

RjBeals wrote:fair enough. at least you tried.


I certainly appreciate your comments RJ, as I appreciate everyone's input and point of view for what will hopefully be for everyone's enjoyment. :)
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby RedBaron0 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm

Like:

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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby ender516 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:03 am

This new background is quite stunning, but not entirely in a good way.
It is a gorgeous picture, but now the ocean, no longer entirely surrounding the islands, looks less like the ocean, :-s :-k and the Sea of Japan is now located halfway up Mount Fuji. #-o
The mountain might work if it were reduced in size so that the ocean could be retained entirely around the islands, but then it might be too small to be worth showing. Eliminating the ocean entirely might work too, but I agree with your classification of Japan as a maritime nation, and you would still have the Sea of Japan to place somewhere.
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby limbodog on Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:30 pm

Oooh! This map looks nice!
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Re: Japan - 日本 (D, Gp) V8.3 (Upd 10-22)pg26 Graphics Stamp??

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:15 am

ender516 wrote:This new background is quite stunning, but not entirely in a good way.
It is a gorgeous picture, but now the ocean, no longer entirely surrounding the islands, looks less like the ocean, :-s :-k and the Sea of Japan is now located halfway up Mount Fuji. #-o
The mountain might work if it were reduced in size so that the ocean could be retained entirely around the islands, but then it might be too small to be worth showing. Eliminating the ocean entirely might work too, but I agree with your classification of Japan as a maritime nation, and you would still have the Sea of Japan to place somewhere.


Right, I think I see ender's point. I'm usually not a fan of image backgrounds or out of context backgrounds (before the revamp Germany), but maps can make it work (Indian Empire, etc) if it is a part of a greater theme (like the book idea).

Right now, the background image doesn't totally feel a part of a greater theme---but just something that is a background placeholder.


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