Conqueror's Cup 2010. Winners Knights of the round table !!

[jpcloet]

will this count towards the ladder?

LoL. Really? You couldn't read the post RIGHT BEFORE yours.

Sorry, don't mean that to be mean but you are the 3rd one to ask and it was just answered directly before you asked.

That was mean, I said they qualify. I didn't say they would go on the current ladder. Depends on something else right now and what Season3 looks like.

[pmchugh]

Will these games count as actual clan challenges in their own right and will results be included in any future ladders?

They would qualify. Good to have a tournament like this that will connect most of the clans. A few B rated clans could make the jump to A,however, they certainly have their work cut out for them based ont he rankings.

Kl kl (though I think you should drop the whole A-B rated clan thing it doesn't really make sense and is 100% objective, if you start with no A rated clans you end with no a rated clans)

And what about overall clan records, i.e. we are playing BSS in a clan war and this. So if we each win one then is that 1 win each or is it the overall score, and if we win twice is that 1 or 2 wins etc.

[agonzos]

I like all of the trash talk coming now. Should be interesting to see how all of these games turn out.

And I agree with Lubawski on one thing. I would love to meet KORT in the 2nd round. Obviously a few of there players think EMPIRE is over rated and I am excited to prove they belong behind us!

But, more importantly, we have to win our first round game and they still have to beat G1 after their last tie to them!!

You aren't kidding about the trash talking.

Agreed that a second round meeting would be nice. But I guarantee you, none of KORT is taken our first round war with G1 lightly. There will be no looking past an opponent by us.

Happy hunting everyone!

[jpcloet]

Kl kl (though I think you should drop the whole A-B rated clan thing it doesn't really make sense and is 100% objective, if you start with no A rated clans you end with no a rated clans)

And what about overall clan records, i.e. we are playing BSS in a clan war and this. So if we each win one then is that 1 win each or is it the overall score, and if we win twice is that 1 or 2 wins etc.

A-B rated is about 10% subjective, 90% is based on data and challenge results.

They are 2 separate challenges IMO.

[freakns]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=442&t=91307

Did people forget this?

and did you forgot
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=99156
?

what does that mean? one challenge that you guys won doesnt mean you are better then Empire, just as it doesnt mean you are worse then O&H.

this list indicating not only how realistically one clan is good, but rather represent overall opinion about clans gathered not only through games, but also through clan members behaving. being smart ass usually doesnt put you at a good spot. its easy to see why is THOTA no1 even though they are equal with TSM in their clan challenge, and IMO, two pretty much equal clans in their gaming abilities(and their clan war wouldnt change that fact as whoever wins it, it will be with the smallest possible margin). in that case, people will usually get advantage to nicer clan, and noone would even try to evaluate Blitz character vs Scot character...
so in this you may see why is TOFU climb to no3 so quickly(its not only their incredible skills, but also pure class that CoF as a leader and TOFU spokesman bring in), and also why does Empire stands better then LoW. and even thou Lubawski is known for his shot fuse and acts like a prick sometimes(no offence mate, but you alone know this is true ), Chuck and chepheren are widely known as one of the classiest guys on this site and the rest of clan have shown nothing but pure class in all the games we shared... and outside of reptile and sam, im really not sure who in LoW is known to have great personality... they are mostly pricks, like me.

[pmchugh]

Sometimes freak, you remind me so much of HA i think you guys ar mutlis

Kl kl (though I think you should drop the whole A-B rated clan thing it doesn't really make sense and is 100% objective, if you start with no A rated clans you end with no a rated clans)

And what about overall clan records, i.e. we are playing BSS in a clan war and this. So if we each win one then is that 1 win each or is it the overall score, and if we win twice is that 1 or 2 wins etc.

A-B rated is about 10% subjective, 90% is based on data and challenge results.

They are 2 separate challenges IMO.

Ok maybe I exagerated, but I still don't like the idea. Anyway best leave the ladder discussion for elsewhere because as I think we have just proved no matter what the ladder/ratings looks like someone wont be happy.

[khazalid]

be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

[brian fletcher]

Do the 1v1`s count as 1 match?
In the 1st round proper it is 5 home and 5 away matches, but im assuming that still counts as 1 challenge match of the 15 he is allowed to play in that round.

[Chariot of Fire]

be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

Did you mean #2 khaz?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=443&t=100947

btw....question for the organisers.....

Do you think it's a good idea to introduce a 'cup-tied' rule for this competition (whereby any player that has represented a clan in any of these Cup games cannot play for another competing clan should he or she switch loyalties during the contest)?

Seems like a fair and sensible rule to me as it will negate the desire to poach quality players as the tourney progresses, effectively making a clan's membership (as it stands now) having to stay the course.

It's done in many cup competitions - and in this one, given the nature of CC, would seem to make good sense. Cheers

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

[freakns]

Sometimes freak, you remind me so much of HA i think you guys ar mutlis

nah... its just that we have equal english language skills or lack of it

be fair now, we didn't get to number 1 by being nice!

what, you guys suddenly learn how to play?! thats hard to believe
what i meant, is that THOTA is clearly leading clan by votes, even thou TSM is also unbeaten and stand much better then you guys in clan league vol. 2

incidentally.. what did scott do to you? he's a nice boy these days!

he beat me in esc game! shame on him!
to me? nothing, but he does have a reputation

[khazalid]

silly me, chariot. : P

[waseemalim]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

[Georgerx7di]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

[khazalid]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

wasee - i don't mean to discount your skills because you are a great player, and there are a few left in LoW of course, but the split after our challenge has obviously impacted you guys in a big way. if you look at KorT there was a fairly anomalous 30 game challenge which has been rendered thus in the voting.. ballenus, karelP, sjnap etc etc - they deserve their placing, just as IA do. if you consider that LoW were defeated by THOTA and TSM whilst still 'whole' then i don't think you can argue all that much with the placing (ie - less than the 3rd place which you would have been in another CC dimension) considering some of the great players who have left. TOFU are having a moment in the sun right now, and i'm sure that probably hurts a bit.. but it won't last forever. perhaps on the back of CLA this year people will start voting us down a bit lower in future, who knows. either way a clan challenge can be subject to the same vagaries of fortune as anything else. if you guys finish this CLA season as strongly as you are going right now then it will be taken into account, you'd have to think.

[Bruceswar]

You really did not say that with a straight face did you? Seeing as Season 1 you finished 26 back of the winner, and are down 18 as of right now in Season 2. No offense to Empire, but the league is a good measuring stick of a clans strength. You can say what you want about the setup of the league, season 1 or 2, but all clans have the same setup. Season 1 finished just about where everybody should be. And season 2 is not having many surprises other than THOTA laying over and dying a painful death these last 2 weeks.

Say what you want about where people should be ranked or whatever, but the league tells the story in plain numbers.

Are you kidding Bruce. The first season was all doubles and initially was not going to count for anything. We used it as practice games. We finished just above .500, which was great considering our approach. This league has 50% doubles as well. Meanwhile, you are active in the forum saying that doubles are not a good indicator of a clan's ability because it has too much luck, and trips and quads are what should be focused on in challenges and the league. A bit hypocritical with your last comment. At the same time, you are saying that 8 game sets against a clan is more telling than 40-60 games? Get your head out of your ass before you spout out at the mouth Bruce.

I hope to see you in the second round so we can settle this where it matters.

You will see us, and see us blowing you out. You can cry about the league being 50% doubles... or whatever you want, but we all play the same games. Actually KORT is best at triples and quads generally, so it will be fun to dominate you. Some bad blood is always good for the clan scene. Good thing my fight picking worked. Now you can take your chip on your shoulder and prove it on the battle field. As most said Empire was ranked a bit too high considering everything.

P.S. The first league never counted for the ladder for any long period of time, though both leagues should count. To tell me you signed up a league with hundreds of games as practice is just absurd.


@ Khaz, rolling over is not what I meant, as THOTA would never lay over for anybody. I was more referring to the brutal beating you guys took.

[khazalid]

i'd roll over for yo mama

[the.killing.44]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

[Chuuuuck]

As most said Empire was ranked a bit too high considering everything.

I strongly disagree that most have said that because as you can tell "most" have voted us into the 4th position, now the 3 seed with the absence of TSM.

However, a more accurate term would be a "few" have said that. And I would bet money those same few voted that way.

But what is more evident is that "most" think Empire is better than KORT, as can be seen by the seedings.

I feel pretty confident we will be in the 2nd round waiting.... I just hope you all can make it past G1 this time!

(I know Lubawski gets a hot head sometimes, please don't take my words with malicious intent. Just having fun)

[Lubawski]

(I know Lubawski gets a hot head sometimes, please don't take my words with malicious intent. Just having fun)

I just play the bad guy so others can keep their squeaky clean image.

[Georgerx7di]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

Well, in all honesty, do you really think that going from second to first in our division would be enough for people to vote you guys into the number 2 spot. Of even 3 or 4. Empire has a mediocre record in cla and yet they were voted to the 4 (3) spot here. I don't think it would have made that much difference really. You have to admit that the loss to O&H has hurt peoples opinion of LOW.

[the.killing.44]

p.s. and can you disqualify anyone that asks for the umpteenth time whether 1v1s count as a single match! God forbid

Not all of us have the privilege of checking this thread once every 3 hours. Since it is not clarified in the first post, I too would like to know the official answer.

P.S. It is rather strange that we should be rated number 6, even though we are beating the monkis currently in the clan league (yes, yes jp hasn't updated). Also, for some reason DIV 1A clans are being ranked higher than 1B clans -- although the actual clan challenge results speak otherwise. I guess it must be the hype with KORT and IA beating Thota.

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

Well, in all honesty, do you really think that going from second to first in our division would be enough for people to vote you guys into the number 2 spot. Of even 3 or 4. Empire has a mediocre record in cla and yet they were voted to the 4 (3) spot here. I don't think it would have made that much difference really. You have to admit that the loss to O&H has hurt peoples opinion of LOW.

Hell yes I admit that, which is why I'm kinda ticked off that it's overruled the other opinions about LoW (e.g., we're 25-7 in the past 4 weeks of the CL).

[waseemalim]

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

Well, in all honesty, do you really think that going from second to first in our division would be enough for people to vote you guys into the number 2 spot. Of even 3 or 4. Empire has a mediocre record in cla and yet they were voted to the 4 (3) spot here. I don't think it would have made that much difference really. You have to admit that the loss to O&H has hurt peoples opinion of LOW.

Of course that ghastly challenge hurt our reputation. It was an ill-timed loss, something that tipped the balance in favor of the opinion that LOW was a far worse clan without its ex-members. We are all well aware of that.

I was merely whining at the fact that people did not seem to take cognizance of how we were doing in the CLA (whether by looking at the recently finished games or not). And the opinion that, in general, DIV 1A is a much tougher place than DIV 1B.

[khazalid]

well if TSM were playing i'm pretty sure they'd be ranked at number 2, no? if it was a little later it could well have mattered who won our challenge as to deciding the polled number 1.. even if it was 41-39 (which is pretty likely, one way or the other).

[Bruceswar]

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

Well, in all honesty, do you really think that going from second to first in our division would be enough for people to vote you guys into the number 2 spot. Of even 3 or 4. Empire has a mediocre record in cla and yet they were voted to the 4 (3) spot here. I don't think it would have made that much difference really. You have to admit that the loss to O&H has hurt peoples opinion of LOW.

Of course that ghastly challenge hurt our reputation. It was an ill-timed loss, something that tipped the balance in favor of the opinion that LOW was a far worse clan without its ex-members. We are all well aware of that.

I was merely whining at the fact that people did not seem to take cognizance of how we were doing in the CLA (whether by looking at the recently finished games or not). And the opinion that, in general, DIV 1A is a much tougher place than DIV 1B.

Don't feel bad.... KORT who has the best CLA record is ranked behind 3 clans who we are beating. 2 Rightfully so and the 3rd well they are the host and people were being nice.

[Georgerx7di]

Well Wasee, just like not every can check this thread every 3 hours, perhaps everyone can't go check tsm and Low cla games. Officially we're listed as being up a 1/2 game and that's probably what people were looking at. You were ranked 6th, (5th in brackets) not a terrible place to be. I ranked you slightly different on my list, but not that much different.

That could totally be true. Annoying—the rankings aren't updated (we're #1 now, surpassing you guys).

Well, in all honesty, do you really think that going from second to first in our division would be enough for people to vote you guys into the number 2 spot. Of even 3 or 4. Empire has a mediocre record in cla and yet they were voted to the 4 (3) spot here. I don't think it would have made that much difference really. You have to admit that the loss to O&H has hurt peoples opinion of LOW.

Of course that ghastly challenge hurt our reputation. It was an ill-timed loss, something that tipped the balance in favor of the opinion that LOW was a far worse clan without its ex-members. We are all well aware of that.

I was merely whining at the fact that people did not seem to take cognizance of how we were doing in the CLA (whether by looking at the recently finished games or not). And the opinion that, in general, DIV 1A is a much tougher place than DIV 1B.

Don't feel bad.... KORT who has the best CLA record is ranked behind 3 clans who we are beating. 2 Rightfully so and the 3rd well they are the host and people were being nice.

That's not exactly true bruce. Tofu has the best record in cla, however they are in division 2.