Just to clarify a few things / answer some questions. I don't plan on spending a lot of time responding to things here, because we (CD Team) have already spent a lot of time on this issue. But felt it would be prudent to answer some of the valid questions and concerns that have been posted.
Thanks,
IcePack
PaulatPeace wrote:TOP has been denied the right to choose it's own 1st & 2nd Contacts for the CL 8.
The letter below is an exact copy of the one sent to IcePack in response to his decision on the Appeal TOP made regarding this.
The purpose of including it here is to inform the clan community.
Thank you,
PaulatPeace
Without rehashing every little detail, we are not "denying the right for TOP to choose its own 1st and 2nd Contacts", as you've indicated.
During the course of CL7, you (PaulatPeace) had priviledges removed as a punishment. An appeal was made, which was overuled by myself and the admins.
I have also previously stated that I will not get into CD Team Disciplinary details, (just as we would not for C&A cases or past player histories) so that statement is an assumption made on your part.
While there were efforts after CL7 on the part of both parties to personally patch things up as you referenced, ultimately it helped re-establish communication but saw no resolution on the matters at hand as both sides essentially agreed to disagree. These efforts while commendable, do not take away from the fact that the original punishment and appeal occurred and losing priv's is not something that we take lightly. I understand you / TOP still feel the original occurrence was incorrectly implimented, and we've had many discussions over it.
However, per our policy if you lose privs during a war, you would lose the ability to regain priv's for a period of 6-12 months. For a clan event, losing privs during an event due to the long duration of these events, is difficult to establish a time period so in lieu of this you lose priv's for the next iteration of the event (CL8). As we've previously outlined to you (but for the benefit of the readers here), you are still eligible for priv's for private / pick up wars, and can assist TOP in planning the war and can communicate normally in the event thread, you just will not be eligible to be the main point of contact for the TO of the event / receive priviledges. Someone else will need to represent TOP in messages, and use the priv's to create the games (that could still be planned / researched by you, or however TOP chooses to plan their games).
Thus, we are only restricting TOP's ability to select you (PaulatPeace) as one of the contacts for this event as you originally submitted during your sign up for CL8. But TOP has a free hand to select whomever for 1st & 2nd Contacts otherwise who are not currently under disciplinary measures.
macken wrote:I do not understand what is happening.
Where are the rules here?
The rules must be clear and fair.
Applying them must obey the same principles.
I would like a plausible explanation, where are the rules which contains the type of punishment and what the facts are, and then we can check if it has been and understand.
I do not want arbitrary, unfair decisions, coming out of someone's will. I guess nobody wants either.
And this is what I see is happening.
This information has been communicated to your clan leaders multiple times, so I'm sure they can help clear it up for you. However, if you would like to research & learn more on your own you can read this post in particular (but the whole thread is excellent references for overall handling of clan business and how things work)
viewtopic.php?f=438&t=219548#p4846719The rules clan leaders abide by are clear and available to all to read.
iAmCaffeine wrote:I have a question. What exactly do the Clan Directors gain from dictating who can / can't be the contact for TOP?
We have consistency and follow the established guidelines and policies. It also discourages future issues by establishing that we will follow the policy and protocols set forth so players and leaders both will know what to expect. Not following established guidelines shows rules can be bent / broken and no reprecussions will be faced, or opens us up to accusations that they are being enforced sporatically, and not uniformally and show favoritism to specific clans / individuals.
MagnusGreeol wrote:- Lindax/Ice and company do a hell of a job as far as organizing and keeping everything up to date, But as for handling fair treatment and punishment there is work to be done.
Appreciate it, and my view is there are always room for improvement on multiple fronts. I know we have worked within CDF to establish consistent rules regarding punishments within the leagues with all clans feedback to ensure fair treatment of all clans. My hope is that we can continue making improvements, and that something like this that lead to the issue can be avoided to begin with in the future.
Donelladan wrote:The main purpose of the 1st contact for the CL8 is, as far as I know, to create the home games and sent the invitations for the away games.
This is quite a work, especially given the deadlines in place.
If LHDD was forced to change our 1st contact, we would also be forced to seriously consider our ability to participate in the CL8. Simply because taking care of this burden is a responsibility that not everyone would be ready to take in our clan.
Some individuals are not able to work together, I can understand that, and therefore I can understand Lindax does not wish to have further communications with PaulatPeace ( if that's the issue here). In which case let another member of TOP ( the 2nd contact ? ) to handle the Lindax/TOP communication for the CL8, but let PaulatPeace be 1st contact. Just offering a solution.
I have no involvement in this, I don't care, but as I said above, I don't think CD should prevent someone to be 1st/2nd contact, for any clans.
The 1st & 2nd Contacts are the ones who are charged to communicate with the CD Team / TO's, as well as create home / send invitations. As I've outlined above, losing priviledges does have consequences that are outlined. The games can be planned by whoever, but the priv holder will need to communicate and create games which should be the lesser amount of the work than the researching, planning, deciding players etc of whoever the "planner" is.
Other solutions have been discussed and debated, but ultimately it sets a poor precident of making exceptions, special arrangements and could cause more issues in the future cases that come up looking for other special arrangements outside of the printed established guidelines that all must follow.
In addition, is a work that not everyone would be ready to take, but also have to be well done!! precisely to avoid penalty. And not everyone can do in good way. 
