[CC12] R3: FALL (17) vs S&M (29) - S&M Wins - Final 12/8/22

[josko.ri]

Forgive me, but I will continue to laugh at how crazy this all is. One player didn't accept their invite to ONE game for whatever reason and someone else was quickly invited and accepted right away within minutes of the deadline for joining games. Josko explained all of that in the thread somewhere.

This is what Goran is QQing about, and claiming we were late joining ALL games.

Shannon Apple, this is not all.
We were late filling set 2 by 7 minutes, but not by our fault.
FALL was late sending home set 2 by 1 day and 6 hours, which caused us to be late as well.

So, GoranZ is so shameless that he does not ever mention that he was late sending us home set 2 being 30 hours late to the deadline, effectively shortening our planning time on which players to invite to these games from 6 days to 4 and half days, yet he seems to have an issue that a single game which was filled late by a margin of 7 minutes.

But, this is not all...
GoranZ, or call him "the liar", even dares to come to public forums telling lies that not one but more games were filled after the deadline.
Even after I corrected his lie, he has never apologized nor acknowledged that he was wrong, but he is asking me to apologize to him for calling him our for being the liar.

[iAmCaffeine]

If he does that then he's a fanatic or OCD.

could quite easily say this about josko too. weird.

I don’t really wanna join the debate here, but just chiming in based on my own personal experience - GoranZ absolutely takes into consideration the players of the team.

You can debate all you want whether that’s necessary, or “the normal” or anything else. But claiming he doesn’t do something without actual knowledge of someone’s preparation methods is just as silly as this argument.

its not even that bad an idea. there are definitely situations where some players have another's number no matter the map or game. be it because of playstyle or w/e.

don't think i'd ever do it. but can see merit to it.

[josko.ri]

Wait wait wait, I know why GoranZ wanted to know who is playing in our home games.
He has losing 10-19 score in head to head games vs me so he was affraid that I will strategically humiliate him again, as I clearly did before.
Therefore, he joined only 1 of my home games but I went on him on 4 away games, knowing that it will be easy wins for me.

Swimmerdude, please include this info into my e-peen record from the other thread.

[i-andrei]

Wait wait wait, I know why GoranZ wanted to know who is playing in our home games.
He has losing 10-19 score in head to head games vs me so he was affraid that I will strategically humiliate him again, as I clearly did before.
Therefore, he joined only 1 of my home games but I went on him on 4 away games, knowing that it will be easy wins for me.

Swimmerdude, please include this info into my e-peen record from the other thread.

Well then i hope you don't lose or your e-peen will be cut short

[josko.ri]

Wait wait wait, I know why GoranZ wanted to know who is playing in our home games.
He has losing 10-19 score in head to head games vs me so he was affraid that I will strategically humiliate him again, as I clearly did before.
Therefore, he joined only 1 of my home games but I went on him on 4 away games, knowing that it will be easy wins for me.

Swimmerdude, please include this info into my e-peen record from the other thread.

Well then i hope you don't lose or your e-peen will be cut short

Surely I will beat him head to head like a joke. Of 5 games he already won one by pure luck (imagine having first start and a starting bonus in Actium 8-player game, which together with superior dice led to 123v80 troop lead after only 2 rounds) but in four of his home games I will win 3 or 4.

[josko.ri]

Game 21954236 if anyone is curious how to outsmart Kaskavel on his favourite map Hive, by already securing the win in the middle of round 1, despite having second start.

[MTIceman41]

Game 21954236 if anyone is curious how to outsmart Kaskavel on his favourite map Hive, by already securing the win in the middle of round 1, despite having second start.

Have Shannon flash them? She’s amazing on the map and they probably are nerds so boobs make them mess up

[josko.ri]

Game 21954236 if anyone is curious how to outsmart Kaskavel on his favourite map Hive, by already securing the win in the middle of round 1, despite having second start.

Have Shannon flash them? She’s amazing on the map and they probably are nerds so boobs make them mess up

Shannon outflashed Robespierre with her e-tits

[i-andrei]

an e-tits thread would make a good followup to the e-peen one.
josko likely to take top spot there also

[josko.ri]

an e-tits thread would make a good followup to the e-peen one.
josko likely to take top spot there also

emilywink wins the e-tits contest undisputably.
Once you see her e-tits, you dont look further

[Donelladan]

Game 21954236 if anyone is curious how to outsmart Kaskavel on his favourite map Hive, by already securing the win in the middle of round 1, despite having second start.

It's your home map, with your favorite settings.
Also you're having 28 troops advantage even before round 1 is over. Wanna talk about luck ? ( go ahead and tell me it's skill than give you that advantage).


Btw, would you and GoranZ stop with the non-sense in the thread. You've said it all already. It's getting pretty long for saying the same stuff over and over again.
Go at it by pm, I'm pretty sure at this point no one besides you two care at all about who was late for what.
And you josko already said that it was your last comment about it a few posts ago. Keep your words, stop replying, GoranZ will stop as well I hope if he's alone talking.

[josko.ri]

Game 21954236 if anyone is curious how to outsmart Kaskavel on his favourite map Hive, by already securing the win in the middle of round 1, despite having second start.

It's your home map, with your favorite settings.
Also you're having 28 troops advantage even before round 1 is over. Wanna talk about luck ? ( go ahead and tell me it's skill than give you that advantage).


Btw, would you and GoranZ stop with the non-sense in the thread. You've said it all already. It's getting pretty long for saying the same stuff over and over again.
Go at it by pm, I'm pretty sure at this point no one besides you two care at all about who was late for what.
And you josko already said that it was your last comment about it a few posts ago. Keep your words, stop replying, GoranZ will stop as well I hope if he's alone talking.

After I said it is my last comment, then GoranZ put some new "evidence" from our pms pretending that I am liar, to which I responded to show there are no lies from my side there. He doesnt want to let it go.

As about hive, thing is that yellow has 244 troops on himself, whereas our third player who plays after green has 216 troops at the moment. after yellow turn, green will surely have much less than 216 troops because yellow will attack him somewhere.
My point is, obviously pink and cyan more forted (mostly to yellow) and less attacked, while our team more attacked, thus no wonder that we have more troops due to using attacker advantage more.
Thus, it is surely strategy because if one team forts more but the other team attacks more, then no wonder that the team who attacks more gets favorable dice.
Possibly, yellow will now attack more than green as he has much more available troops than green and then come closer to us in total number of troops.

on a side note, we have blue with 30 troops on only one region Game 21947953 whereas their strongest player has 39 troops in total. usually, this map with these or similar settings was played in past by GoranZ vs team lead by me or polymorphic game, and GoranZ even scored a win before if I recall correctly. But this time he was afraid to take the game and face my team directly, instead he gave the game to other clanmates who were wiped out in round 1. What a great team captain

[josko.ri]

See Donelladan, kaskavel played hive triples now and turned their -28 troop count into plus 29 troop count.

As expected, using attacker dice with 256 troop on the board gave him considerable attacker advantage which overturned our previous troop count advantage.

However, the game will still go on our way, and it is because of we outplayed them (after we have -29 troops, you cannot anymore tell that we were so much lucky). They made yellow have 88 regions while pink is on 39 regions, so lower than 36 regions after green plays. there were too much forting out from pink to yellow, a move which our team didnt make strategically.

So, even with having second turn, even with having -29 troops at the moment, even with playing vs Kaskavel team who reached conqueror playing 1v1 hive games, I claim that game will surely be our win.

Find me later and cite this if it happen that we lose that game.

EDIT, now after green turn, green started with -15 troops total and finished the turn with -11 troops total therefore his attacking rolls were below average and we end round 1 with -11 troops on the board. But what I forecasted from the beginning is that we will target pink and they will target blue. And what is the situation on the map now? blue has 167 troops, which is more than any other player on the board and more than red and green combined. pink, on the other hand, has 62 troops and is already below 36 regions.

So Donelladan, is this called strategy or luck by your standards? we ended round 1 with -11 troops total yet we have 167 troops on the player that they target whereas the player that we target has 62 troops, and both players play next so they have already received round 1 forts from teammates.

[i-andrei]

Well you said you'll win Map Masters and also One man Clan so congrats on those 2.

[josko.ri]

Well you said you'll win Map Masters and also One man Clan so congrats on those 2.

i still say i would have won them, but ice pack kicked me out so i did not even get a chance to compete.
but i say that whoever wins the one map clan grand finale can challenge me to the same format as the final match was played on, and i will beat him.

[rockfist]

Goranz,

I’m not a participant in this war or a Clan Director. Don’t try to persuade me to offer a (meaningless) opinion on this dispute.

[GoranZ]

1-st Missed agreed deadline (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:17)

I'll give him a nudge to get them up ASAP

This deadline was also missed by FALL, rules state that set 1 games should be created and posted in the game making thread by Sep 4 23:59 CCT, yet they were posted in the thread by FALL 6 hours later, as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5258565
Posted by GoranZ at Sep 5 05:59 CCT
Any person with a little dignity would shut up of opponents being late, if his clan was late at the first place.

2-nd (Sent: 05 Sep 2022 08:49)

I can follow up with our home games by Wednesday 23:59 CCT

3-rd (Sent: 07 Sep 2022 07:13)

I would be grateful if you allow me slight extension of set 1 deadline for 12 more hours.
Previous deadline: Wednesday 23:59 pm CCT
New deadline: Thursday 11:59 am CCT

This was a delay of 12 hours due to real life circumstances, informed to you very well in advance.
For each of your delays (late sending home set 1, late sending home set 2, late filling home set 1) there was literally no notification to us.
For that one lateness to deadline from S&M side, you asked for compensation (12 hours earlier sending home set 2) and I gave you the compensation as requested.
For your late sending home set 1, home set 2 and late filling away set 1, we have never received neither being offered any compensation.

4-th (Sent: 08 Sep 2022 08:24)

My next steps are as follows:
By Friday 23:59 pm CCT: invite all players to home set 1

You sent R1 invites after/or on September 11-th(Sunday CC time)

This was just an intention, NOT an obligation, which I failed to meet.
Strictly speaking of obligation requirements, obligation is to send all game invites of set 1 in deadline 7 days after you sent us games, which was Sep 5 5:59 CCT, and indeed all our round 1 game invites (home and away) were sent before Sep 12 5:59 CCT.

Bonus:

you filled my round 1 games 9 days later than when I created them, clearly extending your available time by rules which is 7 days.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 14:29)

Create Round 1 and Round 2 games for S&M then... You guys have our games for 7 days(atm) while we have nothing from your side, and we need to plan away games for two rounds in parallel.

(Sent: 07 Sep 2022 21:35)

Sorry for this confusion but you will surely receive our set 2 way before the deadline and have enough time to plan both sets simultaneously.

You delays left us no other option but to plan both of our sets in parallel so all of our games to be accepted until Sept 17-th(which we did). Even you propose the same thing. IDK why are you complaining now

What this "bonus" proves?
Yes, as I told in the quote you indeed received our home set 2 games 12 hours before the deadline, am I at fault here?
My saying that "you have enough time to plan both sets simultaneously" implied that you can plan how to fill set 1 from the set 1 game exchange date Thu Sep 8 until next 7 days, and from the set 2 game exchange date Sun Sep 11 until next 7 days, and the fact that you could fill them "simulataneously" is valid for the overlapping period from Sep 11 to Sep 15, not for the entire period until Sep 18. Literally, you filled both set 1 and set 2 around Sep 17 therefore using 9 days to fill set 1 which is much longer than allowed deadline of 7 days.

Even the TO JPlo64 in his reply to your complaining message clearly told that if we were late in sending home set 1 by 4 days (i.e, we sent it by Thursday instead of by Sunday), that means that you have 4 extra days to fill set, until upcoming Thursday. So it was clear that cannot be clearer from his response that you should fill our home set 1 by Thursday 15 Sep, yet you filled it on Saturday 17 Sep.

At the same time, you posted home set 2 with 1 day and 6 hours delay, effectively leaving us 4 and half days to plan how to fill away games, which is much less than how much time should we have by rules:
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=196991&start=2625#p5259297
"Posted by GoranZ at Sep 13 06:21 CCT"
Again to repeat, any person with a little dignity would shut up of opponents being late, if his clan was late at the first place.

Please lie down Mr. cheater, we will destroy you on the board, despite your dirty play off the board.

If you have C&A evidence against me please open a case in appropriate section, otherwise apologize. If you do not open a case and you do not apologize I will open a case about your false accusations.

To me "cheater" equals to "liar" when he wants to achieve some bigger benefit with telling his lies.
As for the evidence that you asked that you are indeed a liar, this is a lie that you publicly wrote in shameless way in order to manipulate public opinion, without even apologizing for it, or correcting yourself that you wrote a lie:

In a fact S&M invites were soo late that even some games have started after the September 18 deadline, but we don't have an issue with it.

Your writing that "in fact" some GAMES (plural) started after the deadline is a shameless lie, as there was only one GAME (singular) started 7 minutes after the deadline.
If this is not true, please prove that you are not liar and show links to at least 2 games (to be it plural indeed) which started after the deadline?
If you do not prove that your accusation was not a lie, or do not retract (and apologize for) your "in fact" statement which is not "in fact" but is a shameless lie, then I continue to call you mr. cheater, which is about same as mr. liar.

You need professional help, Doctors that can help you.

[GoranZ]

Wait wait wait, I know why GoranZ wanted to know who is playing in our home games.
He has losing 10-19 score in head to head games vs me so he was affraid that I will strategically humiliate him again, as I clearly did before.
Therefore, he joined only 1 of my home games but I went on him on 4 away games, knowing that it will be easy wins for me.

Hahahaha I don't have the highest participation in FALL games, its not event second or third highest. You are welcome to join any game I create, anyway if something is not with unlimited forts you will most likely whine

[Shannon Apple]

You need professional help, Doctors that can help you.

That goes both ways, buddy. Telling someone to get professional help while you yourself continue to write nonsensical essays.

You have both contributed a lot of back and forth nonsense to this thread saying the same thing over and over that could have been said in a few lines.

Literally no one cares.

[Keefie]

Literally no one cares.

But we do Shannon, this thread just keeps on giving I'm tempted to set up a stand selling deckchairs and peanuts

[Shannon Apple]

Literally no one cares.

But we do Shannon, this thread just keeps on giving I'm tempted to set up a stand selling deckchairs and peanuts

Okay, it does have entertainment value, I'll give you that.

[iAmCaffeine]

this is the least entertaining entertainment thread ever

[GoranZ]

You need professional help, Doctors that can help you.

That goes both ways, buddy. Telling someone to get professional help while you yourself continue to write nonsensical essays.

Its a nonsense if someone made multiple changes to the agreed Schedule and didn't fulfill the agreed changes just to get an unfair advantage? Yeah rite.

And calling me a cheater without any evidence, from account that has been banned previously(if I'm not mistaken).

Literally no one cares.

And yet you are replying

[Jdsizzleslice]

I think everyone in this thread needs a temporary break!

[JPlo64]

Everyone needs to drop the back and forth arguing.
All games have begun and the argument is now moot.
We'll keep this locked tonight to let everyone settle down and reopen in the morning.

Cheers to a great war all!

JP